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Re: asynchronous channel write

On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 20:03:20 +0100
g4-lisz@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> On 15.01.20 23:45, Torsten Kuehnel wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 00:53:51 +0100
> > g4-lisz@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> >> On 13.01.20 22:54, Torsten Kuehnel wrote:
> >>
> >>> Looks to me your loop does not cope with partial writes correctly as
> >>> you pass the initial (channel, buf, len) parameters unmodified in
> >>> subsequent calls to ssh_channel_write, shall your innermost do {...}
> >>> loop iterate more than once.
> >>>
> >>> Shouldn't you increment your buf pointer by the bytes already sent, or
> >>> does libssh keep track of the write progress and does this for you ?
> >> Hi Torsten,
> >>
> >> yes you are right! After reading the source of ssh_channel_write() I
> >> totally agree. The buf argument is a const char* so it can't be modified
> >> through ssh_channel_write()...
> >>
> >> I'm really suprised that we never had an issue with this... We tested
> >> the code extensively.
> > Hi,
> > when you are feeding sockets and there is no network/interface load, every
> > os (as far as i know of) tries to send/write the amount requested in whole.
> >
> > The task of the underlaying kernel is to avoid, when you request non
> > blocking i/o, that the kernel *itself* does not has to wait. So when
> > the kernel sees there is a small amount of room in the underlaying
> > ethernet driver buffers, for example, he fills this space with (part)
> > of your data and returns immediately, telling you how much could be send.
> >
> > Thats my assumption how the underlaying stuff works. Feel free to add
> > any knowledge.
> >
> > The hard thing is to test such edge cases in your test suite. For my
> > packet code for example i have tests which *simulate* low bandwidth
> > by sending single or a few, half of a logical packet for example to cover
> > at least the reading end dealing with partial stuff.
> Yes I totally agree with what you write. But this is also a question of
> which layer we are talking about.
> On TCP level on Linux you can tweak things a lot, so maybe you can
> provocate some edge cases on this way. For example by lowering some
> socket buffer sizes.
> But in this case (ssh_channel_write), from the point of view of
> networking, we are on application level. I think the only situation when
> a write to a channel can't write all bytes at once is when the needed
> windows size was somehow changed or rejected by the peer...
> Indeed we never tested this case, but it seems to happen only in such
> rare situations that it's not notable in day-to-day operations. This
> code is running for half a year now in a multithreaded multisession SSH
> server deamon for receiving direct-tcp connections. It's tunneling old
> plaintext protocols like telnet, but also SOCKS, so we have all
> different kinds of packet sizes and bandwidths.  
> Anyway I now corrected the code to this:
>     len = recvfrom(...);
>     do {
>         i = ssh_channel_write(channel, buf + wr, len - wr);
>         if (i < 0) {
>              .....
>         }
>         wr += i;
>     } while (i > 0 && wr < len);
> Thanks a lot for the hint!
gerngeschehen :) (german for 'you'r welcome' maybe ..)
> > Currently i still stuck on non blocking writing at all using libssh, as
> > i have still no clue on how libssh poll code decides to take the POLLOUT
> > event out of the session poll ctx handle ?
> I never had the need to manipulate ctx handles directly. I only use
> ssh_event_add_xxx() and ssh_event_remove_xxx().
> > When i call ssh_event_add_fd with my socket and POLLOUT and a callback,
> > is it save to call ssh_event_remove_fd afterwards to take it out and not
> > break the underlaying rekeying and session/channel working stuff ?
> Yes you can do this without affecting the other polling contexts. The
> ony thing you should avoid is to do any event modification in a CB
> function itslef. This can lead to recursions.
Thanks for the clarification. My guess was in that direction already.
So in the write callback, when all is written,  i will put my connection in 
the pending state and take it out of the poll with event_remove in my 
mainloop looks the way to go for me then. Great !
> So in our case we use a queue for closing channels and sockets, which is
> handled in the session main loop, i.e. synchronized with
> ssh_event_dopoll(). While openig sockets is handled by dedicated threads.
I have lists for my connections in the different states. Before switching to
libssh and using GnuTLS directly i had a pselect mainloop with a kind of a
select_prepare function to get the various socket descriptors in the fd_sets.
The writing ready ones only when there were packets to send. Then, when
something happened and pselect returned, i sorted the actions to do out in
another function, arranged the connections in the lists, and on again.
That was quite straightforwared and easy.
But i had problems to mimic ssh behaviour with known hosts checking and
fingerprint validation and cipher set up stuff, so i decided to give libssh
a try. I'm now about two weeks into this adventure on a branch, got all
the public and private key stuff per connection node ready, but still have
no clear clue on how the libssh internal polling stuff works.
In my tests, i start a daemonized version of my program via a system() call,
and let it listen. Then, in the test code, i train the different connection
related functions of my connections.
My use case is simply having a secure, ssh like connection between two points
over the network, and this multiple times with arbitrary communication
packets travelling all around, not allways, but often bound to a single
connection. This is the real new aspect on my approach. I did not find any
similar yet existing, so decided to code it.
The libssh channel approach offers me a way to send my packets over, i think.
But in my test code, i do not know in advance how often i have to iterate over
a do_poll to get a packet transferred for example. One time it uses two
iterations, in the next test run it uses three. Maybe have to iterate in a
loop until a small timeout get hit or something.

I would like to avoid learning libssh internals, i just want to know how
to use its api. Documenting my own library in that it is clear on how one
can use it is high up in my priority list now, thats for sure :)

I will dive into libssh testing torture code next. Guess i find what i need
there :)

> If you are writing client code, you should have a look at connectors and
> the ssh_client.c example.

Thanks for the tip. As said my use case is a single process with some 20 to
200 connections maybe at a time (a very rough guess), and data packets have
to go to every connection sometimes. Maybe dedicated point-to-point
connections can go to own threads when huge data transfer is in progress,
but usually small more info type like packets should be the data to be
dispatched. So the process is client and server at the same time and should
sleep in its poll until there is soemthing to read or a write is in progress.

> Regards,
> Till

Torsten Kuehnel <tdkuehnel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

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